I set up a limit sell for Ā£7.60 and they completed immediately for Ā£7.61. I didnāt realise the spread would need be quite so large, it seemed to be a lot less when trading other stocks.
But Ā£7.60 covered my average cost, so Iām happy just to get rid of them as theyāre the only shares Iāve had so far that have annoyed me with unexpectedly a high prices on buy compared to what the ācurrentā price was.
So, is the reason just because itās AIM? Or because itās low volume?
The reason why some AIM stocks have massive spreads is liquidity, in that the Market Makers do not believe they can easily sell the shares as quick, so if there is only a small percentage in free float then this becomes a problem for the MM to sell the shares on, so in order to buy your shares the market maker will usually issue insane spreads so to take the chance that they can sell them on
AIM 100 companies have an average bid-ask spread of 1.96%, whilst the smaller cap businesses listed on the rest of the market have an average bid-ask spread of 6.3%.
To put this in context, long-term returns from UK equities average around 7% a year.
6.3% seems incredibly high! Iām going to stick to the bigger higher volume shares and ETFs for now. I donāt actually plan to sell anything any time soon anyway, I just got worried with TM17 when it looked like I couldnāt get rid of it at all, as it made me realise if I had a more urgent need to sell I could be in trouble.
Itās the volume of trades which is of more concern to you rather than the volume of shares
T17 for example averages 100-200 trades a day. This isnāt too bad as some AIM stocks have even lower trade volumes
It might be because those trades you saw by-passed the Market-Maker.
If a Platform with a large customer base has both buyers and sellers of the same stock (and inside the quoted bid-offer spread), their customers may get filled firstā¦
ā¦but they still get reported to the Stock Exchange.
And there is another factor.
Those other platforms probably charge a commission.
So partial fills (with a commission each time) do not occur (unless specifically permitted.)
Hence your trade for a handful of shares may not āhelpā the (higher) buyer with a Limit Order.
Grrrr, stupid case of older limit orders failing to complete again.
This time with a limit sell order on GSK created 12 days ago for 1394p. Price went up to 1395.8p and given the spread is only 0.4p, this should have sold.
Cancelled and placed a new limit sell at 1395p and it sold as expected.
Whatās the point of having limit orders that last 3 months if you have to manually cancel and re-submit them if theyāre more than a few days old?
Does this happen? I set some limits straight after buying and donāt look at any more as I assumed they would work but didnāt realise this was the case. Will be well annoying if it is as that is one of the main reasons to buy Plus.
Itās possible it just works a long way down the queue at the broker and that it will eventually get processed. But if it takes too long, it could easily miss my target price and go back below before it completes. Iāve been lucky each time itās failed as the price has continued increasing, so I actually made a bit more because of thisā¦ But, itās worrying that itās happening at all.
Having said that, Iāve also had some limit buys from stocks that Iād long forgotten about, but when that happens itās hard to be sure how long it took to react to reaching the limit, because I wasnāt actively watching the stock.
Iāll have to watch out for it. I buy some stocks I think will go up say 10% in next couple months and then donāt monitor until the 90 days runs out on my spreadsheet.
I didnāt ask on the previous occasions because Iād already deleted the limit orders.
This time the limit order is still active, the price has been 1p under for about 20 minutes now. I asked them via support over 15 minutes ago and they havenāt even replied at all yet.
So, basically nothing. Iāll update if they actually make an effort to look into it, but their reply seems to suggest they just cut and pasted a stock reply rather than actually reading what Iād sent.
And I have no idea now if theyāll eve get back to me, as the limit order finally completed after the price target had been hit for about 40 minutes.
I had 3 other limit orders go through in the mean time, all for same or lower prices, so if this had been a short dip, this old limit order would have missed it entirely.
I get this happen sometimes (not too often) even when a few hours old.
It definitely happens, no idea why, but for some reason they sometimes just get stuck.
Example, letās say I have a limit order for 10 shares @ Ā£1.50
The price drops to Ā£1.495 and nothing happens. 20 minutes later itās down to Ā£1.485, still nothing.
Out of curiosity I then do another limit order for 1x share @ Ā£1.49 and it goes through straight away.
I then do it again for 9 shares - it goes through straight away.
The original limit order is still not happening so I cancel.
Iām not bothered, I donāt have many high expectations for a free platform and I work with it in mind.
Just pointing it out to those that might think itās some kind of user error or wrong expectation. Nothing to do with spread, or current price, or whatever. It simply does happen, luckily itās not too often.
This is really poor! I dont look at my limit orders as i trust the monthly fee to get these functions actually works That said I donāt seem to get many at all go through so starting to think they would be better off not offering a service if it is not going to do what it says on the tin.
Itās fair to say customer service is useless and out of their depth. After 3 hours delay, they clearly didnāt actually read any of my subsequent messages to the extent where they could comprehend the meaning.
Instead they parroted another stock response about how if my limit order doesnāt execute, it couldnāt have reached the limit price.
Iām rapidly losing confidence in Freetrade, both in terms of the platform itself and their approach to customer service.