What does the Freetrade community think about payment for deal flow? How much of the content does not apply to the UK because of pricing/size/economics? Iām a n00b in this area but curious to learn more from the people here. Any opinions?
Payment for order flow (POF) is banned in the UK as of 2012 by regulators citing conflict of interest:
POF is basically where a broker, lets say Hargreaves Lansdown, takes a clientās orders, and sells them to a market maker , lets say the london stock exchange (technically the LSE isnt a market maker, they just work with them, but lets keep things simple) for a fee. LSE/market makers then pocket the difference between the buying and selling price ( the āspreadā) on that clientās order. Very shady business.
Trouble is, brokers are supposed to execute orders based on what gives the fairest price, but POF incentivises them to just sell their orders to whichever market maker pays them the most, leaving the everyday investor paying an unfair price. POF is still legal in the US for now, and is how Robinhood make most of their money, infamously so. Whats also messed up is not everyone. Itās all quite interesting stuff, POF, and poses the broader question of how lucrative, or even viable, a zero commision broker could be in the UK, or just anywhere markets are or will be tightly regulated.
āthere is a controversy about Robinhoodās use of payment for orderflow. I find this controversy baffling and annoying because it is absolutely crystal clear that this is good for you: Robinhood charges high-frequency traders for the privilege of selling you stock at better than the market price, and then uses the fees it collects from them to let you trade for free. If you went to a regular broker and demanded that your order be routed to the stock exchange with no payment for order flow, (1) you would pay a commission and (2) you would get a worse price for the stock.ā
Which obviously has no relevance in jurisdictions where POF is illegal!
Thatās essentially the opinion of Patrick in that blog post as well. The fact that the broker makes money from it doesnāt mean itās not better for consumers.
Even though Robinhood makes the majority of their revenue from this now - I wonder if thatās their long-term plan. People accuse them of it, but it might just be a stopgap measure to get more revenue now while they grow, before they reach a scale for a freemium model to make more sense.
@anon1435622 Any link to evidence that itās illegal in the UK?
Slightly on a tangent, but seems like commission free brokers are popping up left right and centre at the moment.
Evarvest partially successfully crowdfunded on Seedrs recently, and now StockTwits that they will soon be launching a Trade App for commission free brokerage, albeit in the US only. Seems like the market is definitely growing globally.
Largely a problem related to low-liquidity stocks, which FreeTrade is avoiding for now.
If you do go into this area, clients are going to demand a Level 2 order book, as low-liq (and therefore material spread say >3%) trading is always done with an eye on the book.
Interestingly, on the FreeTrade EOD settlement model, this job would fall to FreeTrade, not the customer.
This could be very interesting for the US market and eventually for Europe. Also for those competitors starting up and allowing this I think theyāre treading in thin ice. Freetrade is the way to go and should roll the product out ASAP to promote a freemium model over this PFOF.