ISA and Tax newbie questions

Hi, Iā€™m a complete and utter newbie when it comes to investing and have a few questions most will find completely stupid and probably convince you I have no business here, but Iā€™d really appreciate the help.

Firstly, if I open an ISA with Freetrade but already own some shares prior, is it too late to benefit from the ISA with them? That is, do they need to be bought from money in the Freetrade ISA, assuming thatā€™s possible, to have any profits from selling return there and become tax free up the stated amount or can the money be moved from my account with Freetrade generally after the fact?

Secondly, do I still need to declare the money in that account assuming it exceeds the capital gains tax free allowance? Does it still become taxable in the event that I withdraw it from the ISA to actually use the money elsewhere?

Thirdly, if I make a profit at any point of a few thousand say but I reinvest it all back in, to the point I have less cash than I started with but some additional stocks, am I still expected to declare that extra money I pulled out despite it all going back in and Iā€™m not at all materially any richer? I could lose it all on the next trade after all.

Finally, how do I pay tax on any gains made from US stocks? Do I need to find or order a specific form to do so or is there a section on the regular tax forms I should look for? Does capital gains tax free allowance apply here too assuming all money is made from US stocks alone?

Sorry for the extremely dumb questions Iā€™ve just never dealt with anything like this before. Tax was basically automatically deducted from all previous jobs. Thanks in advanced to any who read this and might clear it up for me.

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Shares within the ISA have to be bought with cash money that has been deposited into the ISA. So you canā€™t directly move your current shares into your new ISA, but you can sell your shares, deposit money into the ISA, and then buy shares within the ISA.

Once money has entered the ISA, whatever you do with it, and whatever profits you make from the investments inside the ISA, itā€™s all tax-free and you do not have to report anything about it. You also do not pay any tax on money that you withdraw from the ISA.

For US stocks, if youā€™re not a US citizen and not resident for tax purposes in the USA (i.e. if youā€™re not already required to file a tax return in the USA), then thereā€™s nothing you need to do. You will only pay tax to the country where you are resident for tax purposes, which Iā€™ll assume is only the UK. The US government does take a bite out of dividends paid by a US company, but they deduct that before the dividends ever reach you, and you wonā€™t even notice anything is missing. On your UK tax return there are boxes for UK source and foreign source income, and you have to declare income in the right places, but not if itā€™s all sheltered within your ISA.

Try this MoneySavingExpert guide to ISAs for a relatively painless introduction:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/isa-guide-savings-without-tax/

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Money itself cannot exceed the allowance. If you, say, acquired shares for Ā£100,000 and sold for Ā£152,300, you will have a capital gain of Ā£52,300. Deduct your allowance and you end up with a gain of Ā£40,000 chargeable to tax. It does not matter if the cash is still held in your account, the chargeable event is the disposal itself. Once disposed of, you have until 31 January following the end of the tax year to report the gain and pay the tax. If the disposal was between 6 April 2020 and 5 April 2021, the deadline to file is therefore 31 January 2022.

If however, the question refers to ā€œmoneyā€ in an ISA, then forget the above, there is no tax consideration whatsoever.

If you sell at a profit and withdraw cash from your ISA - there is no tax due. If you then make other acquisitions outside ISA and make a profit on those - then this profit is taxable.

Shares are assets as good as cash and therefore you are materially richer if you make a profit. If by ā€œmoney pulled outā€ you mean gains (proceeds less cost of acquisition) on non-ISA securities in excess of the annual exempt amount of Ā£12,300, then yes, this will be taxable, and therefore reportable.

You could, and if you do, you can report your losses to HMRC. These will be carried forward indefinitely and you could reduce future gains by these losses so that the overall position is neutral.

@FailedTuringTest covered the income point, but in terms of gains, the treatment is identical to UK stocks - if these disposals are outside of ISA and are in excess of AEA, these must be reported on capital gains pages of your tax return.

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@Vlad great detailed explanation. I have a different question

I currently have a S&S isa with T212 for the tax year 20/21 but I donā€™t intend to continue with them. I want to open a new S&S isa with Freetrade for tax year 21/22 my question is can I still actively manage the stocks I have with T212 i.e. sell any of the existing shares I have and if I made profits from the sale buy new shares of a different company. I wonā€™t be making any fresh deposits into my T212 and the only money I will be depositing for the tax year 21/22 is into my Freetrade S&S isa

Is this allowed?

Yes, that is allowed. You can operate as many stocks and shares ISAs as you want (trade stocks within them and withdraw money from them), but you can only contribute new cash to one in any tax year.

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Thanks for clarifying, appreciate it

Help, please.

I have already maxed my S&S ISA allowance this tax year (on another platform). Is it possible for me to just open a new S&S ISA account with Freetrade now, in anticipation of the new tax year, but without putting any money in?

Tia

Hi John,

Pretty sure you can, Iā€™ve got historic ISAā€™s still open, I just havenā€™t paid any money into them.

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You can open as many as you like, the rule is that you can only deposit money into one of each type of ISA in any one financial year, up to a max of Ā£20k. So you could put Ā£10k in S&S and Ā£10k in cash, or Ā£20k in either, but no rule on setting another up whenever, in anticipation.

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No you canā€™t. Wait for the new year. Any ISA you open up this year is this yearā€™s ISA by definition. If you want to save in an ISA next year open up an ISA next year.

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The idea that you open a new ISA every year has disappeared though. So while opening an ISA puts it in this tax year, it will be ready to use next tax year as well.

The only rule restricting its use is around subscriptions, you can only add money to one of each type in a tax year.

No. Look up the eligibility requirements they are available as a part of FTā€™s application process. Also at least two other major brokers make this clear.

Some brokers use some unclear language around ISAā€™s. Bottom line is subscription is year based.

I understand the point you are trying to make. You open up a ISA this year and you can subscribe next year without having to formally reapply. The spirit of the original question is rather different. He had fully subscribed at company X and wishes to then open up in the same year at company Y but subscribe in the following year.

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Itā€™s a common misunderstanding. The rules around ISA are based around ā€˜subscriptionā€™, a subscription is the amount of money you can pay into your ISAs in a single year. Thereā€™s two main limits, you cannot pay in more than a combined total of Ā£20k, and you cannot pay(subscribe) into more than one of each type of ISA in a year.

Pay into = subscription

There are no limitations on the number of each type of ISA you can have open nor is there any limit on opening more than one ISA. What you cannot do is subscribe to more than one of the same type of ISA in a single year (unless you transfer etc.)

Which is fine to do, thereā€™s just no real benefit of doing so unless they were transferring their ISA

Again I repeat you canā€™t do this with Freetrade or at least two other major brokers.

Itā€™s exactly what freeteade did when I opened an ISA before transferring. Thereā€™s no checks, their own process opens the ISA as well with zero checks, nor is it against the ISA rules. (I did have to ask them to refund me money though as they opened it before I could use it while it still cost me money)

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