Brexit


#61

Betfair? :joy: I never cared to check the Brexit betting and that’s funny to see. I don’t trust bookies though because many times I’ve seen, a horse with an odd of 2 still lost against a horse with a much higher odd.

I don’t really like politics and all I wish is for this Brexit to be over with. Hoping there’s no extension and we leave right on schedule and we get back on with our lives.


(Rob N) #62

Yeah they’re certainly not always right! But I find it gives an indication of the likelihood of an event in a nice numerical form…


(James Drake) #63

I don’t at all blame the politicians. With such a divided vote a vast portion of them genuinely can’t please anyone. Any hardline remainers with remain constituents will vote down a vast majority of bills. Places with huge dependancies on the EU that happened to vote leave (Cornwall), their MP is in a tough spot because to get the best for their constituents they must vote against the vote. Then there’s a multitude of grey areas in which some Leave areas are also hard-brexit and others are go with a no deal.

People like to drag the PM through the mud for this and it really isn’t here, this mess is on everyone.


(Vladislav Kozub) #64

And she survives again. May the Unsinkable :smile:


#65

Was just coming to post this :joy:

306 ayes / 325 noes

Close one, 318 was what they needed.

(edit) The DUP confidence and supply deal really helped.


(James Drake) #66

or

DUP, the 10 billion pound buoyancy aid


(Marco) #67

The government has issued a bleak warning over a no-deal Brexit, estimating the UK economy could be 9% weaker in the long run, businesses in Northern Ireland might go bust and food prices will increase.

In an official document only published after repeated demands by the former Conservative MP Anna Soubry, the government also revealed it was behind on contingency planning for a third of “critical projects” in relation to business and trade.

The latest no-deal notice states that:

  • The economy would be 6%-9% smaller over the next 15 years than it otherwise might have been, in the event of no deal, in line with Bank of England forecasts.
  • The flow of goods through Dover would be “very significantly reduced for months”.
  • With 30% of food coming from the EU, prices are likely to increase and there is a risk that panic buying might create shortages.
  • Only six of the 40 planned international trade agreements have been signed.

Only 40,000 of 240,000 businesses which had no experience of customs or tariffs had registered for an economic operator registration and identification number.

The government said that while it might wave hauliers through British ports, “they would be stopped if taking goods into France without the right paperwork”. This amounts to the most robust rebuttal yet of Brexiter claims that there would be no delays because the British would be taking a loose approach to checks and controls.

Evidence suggested the public had not been heeding no-deal warnings either, with no “noticeable behaviour change” witnessed on a “significant scale” over the need to renew passports, and get international driving permits and green cards for insurance for driving in the EU, it said.

The EU, which would treat the UK as a third country in the event of no deal, could impose tariffs of 70% on beef exports, 45% on lamb and 10% on cars, it said.

“This would be compounded by the challenges of even modest reductions in flow at the border.”
The impact on the economy would vary across the UK, with Wales and Scotland contracting by about 8%, Northern Ireland 9%, and the north-east of England 10.5%.

But it added: “Overall, the cumulative impact from a no-deal scenario is expected to be more severe in Northern Ireland than in Great Britain, and to last for longer.”

This was because of expected disruption in the “closely interwoven supply chains and increasing costs that would affect the viability of many businesses across Northern Ireland. There is a risk that businesses in Northern Ireland will not have sufficient time to prepare. This could result in business failure.”
Scottish fishing would be badly hit as would Welsh sheep farming, with 92% of its lamb being exported to the EU, confirming the sector’s previous warnings that it could be “wiped out” by no deal.

The notice said the impact on the food and drink sector would be most pronounced in Wales, Scotland and particularly Northern Ireland, where the sector comprises 5.07% of the economy, compared to 1.38% for England.

It said fewer than one in 10 items would be affected by delays on the channel crossings but, because of the timing of a potential no-deal Brexit, supplies of fresh fruit and vegetables could be hit hardest.
“In the absence of other action from government, some food prices are likely to increase, and there is a risk that consumer behaviour could exacerbate, or create, shortages in this scenario,” it said.

The government revealed there were significant delays to critical projects being undertaken in preparation for no deal.

“In February, departments reported being on track for just under 85% of no-deal projects but, within that, on track for just over two thirds of the most critical projects,” it said.

The document confirmed that the Treasury had made more than £4bn available for no-deal planning, £2bn of which was allocated in December to support preparations for the 2019-20 financial year.


(Emma) #68

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(Georgi) #69

Anyone mind sharing an opinion on what are the chances of the UK acually calling Brexit off at some point?
I honestly dont see any other better options at this point.


(Emma) #70

Nah, it’s happening and it’ll be a no deal


(Alex Sherwood) #71

I’m an optimist - Brexit will be called off :sweat_smile:


(Emma) #72

You’ve seen the complete idiots we have as elected representatives? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:


(Kenny Grant) #73

Please don’t even say this - no deal would be disastrous and enormously damaging. Surely nobody could be that stupid? I’m hoping parliament comes to their senses, votes May out and a coalition forms a caretaker gov to delay brexit.


(Emma) #74

What will the leave voters say if they don’t go ahead?
It will destroy the country to leave with no deal but I don’t see any of them having the backbone to vote to stay at this stage


(Adam) #75

Unfortunately no deal looks the likely scenario now. It’s the only outcome that doesn’t need to be voted by anyone. Extending A50 would need approval by Parliament and the EU. Whereas no deal you just need nothing to happen. Just like now.


(Emma) #76

They’re voting on no deal or delay next. I think they have a voting addiction


(Adam) #77

But to delay the EU would still need to approve it. All countries would need to agree. Might be a tough ask.


(Emma) #78

This nightmare has been going on so long I may have misremembered this, but can’t we just withdraw article 50 without asking the rest? I’m sure that was a thing


(Adam) #79

Revoking A50 can be done without anyone’s approval, extending it would need the approval of the EU and all it’s memeber states.


(Emma) #80

I was thinking of a political delete and reinstall. Withdraw it and resubmit it a couple of days later giving another couple of years to negotiate