Coronavirus and Stock Markets - Thoughts?

There will be a few rallies like this on the way down IMO. I reckon max market panic will be in a week or two as Europe peaks and the extent of US infections becomes apparent.

The problem with trying to predict all this is if course that this could be the trigger for a broader global recession, austerity measures, more money printing or qe or whatever they think of next, asset inflation and the global unrest that goes along with that. If so the next few years would resemble the years after 2008 and it could take years to slowly recover.

I’m hoping for a relatively swift recovery though after this long overdue correction.

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We’ll also have companies starting to report the actual impact of this shortly, that’s likely to add to volatility over the next couple of months - which could mean moves upwards of course if we’ve over-corrected on the way down.

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It is a dead cat bounce as far as I am concerned. There are rumours of upcoming worldwide QE over the weekend.

However, more monetary easing can’t fix over indebted and overvalued businesses. Not to mention that monetary easing is less effective after a decade of it - like a crack addict needs ever more and harder doses to get his fix, that’s where the economy is at now.

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FTSE’s done for the day, heading south :smirk:

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China may have allegedly been under reporting cases, the USA are under measuring - they have no idea of the true extent of the spread of Corona.

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I only wish I had @Marsares’s bonus today…

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Patience, my young Padawan.

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Any bets on how long the current correction will last?

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We are getting closer to the US exchange opening. That’s bound to knock prices down again

Well purely looking at the data from that table, all bar one of the declines >20% lasted 1.5-3 years, so I’d say probably in that neighbourhood

Likely to be the other way around:

*S&P 500 FUTURES REACH LIMIT–UP BAND OF 2,582 BARRING MORE GAINS

However, with VIX at 65 unsure how long likely gains on US markets will last.

Until the extend and economic impact of corona in the U.K. and US is more known, I am staying on the bench. May be some weeks before VIX drops.

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China - new cases down to single figures. Got to be good news

Hardly matters for now, as the us and Uk are entering the second stage of the pandemic. Good for Chinese economy, will have minimal impact on US and UK markets at the moment.

It does matter. Its about seeing countries starting to recover.

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Doesn’t matter if your own country is in the midst of the pandemic. The only thing that China shows is that a virus will pass, everyone knew that.

What it doesn’t show is how bad it will get for the US and UK, how long it will take, or whether it will drive either of those countries into an economic recession. The US and UK are much more highly leveraged (one out of six publicly quoted US companies, for example, do not earn enough to repay interest on debts).

The US also has much less federal leeway to stimulate markets as interest rates are already so low. The $1 trillion repo bazooka yesterday smacked of desperation - too much monetary easing becomes a sign of weakness, rather than strength. Markets didn’t like the cowbell. We are now in Quad4, where both growth and inflation have slowed, and the Fed is struggling to counter it.

Finally, the US can’t take dictatorial measures like the Chinese could to stop spread of the virus.

That’s what is driving the VIX and is what the markets are pricing in.

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I just don’t understand why Bojo government is doing what it’s doing now. Utterly lunatic

Which part?

Not picking a fight or anything, just curious.

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This:

Sir Patrick Vallance, England’s chief scientific adviser, has defended the government’s approach to tackling the coronavirus, saying it could have the benefit of creating “herd immunity” across the population.

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He seems woefully misguided. I mean, we have ‘herd immunity’ against Spanish flu now, but it killed a bloody lot of people to get us to that point :grimacing:

Essentially he’s just spouting a variant on the old “coronavirus will only kill the old and sick” line in disguise.

ETA:
https://twitter.com/laurab032/status/1238754100759728128

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