What is going on today? - Megathread

I do not believe interest rates are in hindsight, 12-13 years was far overdue so fixing for anything under 5% and for 5-10 years would be a steal.

I keep hearing this ā€˜in hindsight’ talk yet I’ve managed to not follow the crowd and have lost zero money on stocks. In fact my only two stocks I currently own have also been strong (Bae & OnOn).

I think many people lack risk management as they do not understand what a huge risk is compared to a super safe one. In 2020 / 2021 it was not risky fixing a mortgage rate for 10 years at 1.80%.

Just like in December 2022 it was not risky locking £10k - £50k away for 1 year @ 4.15% if you would need the money within 3 years.

As a bmx rider of 28 years, within the first 8 years I learnt enough about risk & talent to fuel a lifetime. It’s all transferable. I use the same skills from that to make decisions in other areas.

I’d say right now there is nothing standing out to me as a definite buy, yet I am almost certain there are a few talented souls out there right now doing something smart with finances or at least building up a direction on what to buy into as the direction of money appears more clear.

One things for sure, getting a mortgage in 2020/2021 for 1.80% fixed for 5-10 years is not a ā€˜in hindsight’ thing. This isn’t magical mystery ā€˜what’s going to happen next in the universe’ thinking, money was cheap and between the UK & USA they printed absolute trillions so quickly, inflation was 99% coming fast.

Just like it’s obvious right now that this year will finish off with the most people in debt. I bet right now that by next year, life will be more expensive than last year… it’s not in hindsight, it’s unavoidable with the awful decisions of the government and all other entities involved.

They somehow manage to always screw over the hardest working.

Go back to 2020 and name a stock you’d feel pretty sure will be an alright place to park money for a decade? I chose Bae purely for cyber security and felt absolutely solid about that.

Here’s a thought on current markets;

  • Property is not falling to fair value.
  • The stock market seems high but not too high although the risk reward right now over a 5 year period appears mixed. Seems like an accumulation period with lower purchases yet not real direction on sentiment.
  • Gold has had a good run and has beat inflation. May as well leave invested for 5 more years.

The only certain thing to state currently is that we are 100% in a wage price spiral and it’s happening every day, in all companies, with most employees & contractors (especially over 30 year olds) and inflation will reveal its face more than once over the next 5-10 years. We are in a wage price spiral, there is no ā€˜in hindsight’ to this.

Holding certain commodifies seems good, yet I personally believe that many have had such a good run that the risk reward today is sketchy when looking 5 years out.

Will the property market wangle-on sideways for the next 3 years? Pretty likely. The governments intervention in property has most likely created an artificial bottom even to the long period of artificially low interest rates, this likely means over the next 3-5 years some of the middle & working income people will manage to get into a buying position and buy into the stagnant property market to secure that bottom even further, and then slowly but surely the property market will continue its artificially high growth rate.

None of which is in-hindsight, it’s almost plain obvious to somebody like myself. I can just see likely macro outcomes of complex things. The same way I’ve seen OnOn holding as quite possibly the biggest competition to adidas/nike in decades. I put a pair of their shoes on in 2021 and have not taken them off once since…

I’ve found it’s weird to talk out loud about the economy but some people just get it more than others due to huge experience in something.

Here’s my personal view on things with no hindsight, current views:

• Portugal & Spain are the number 1 locations to purchase fair value property right now and with a growing lifestyle to go with it.

• Cash is being devalued at an alarming rate and in more ways than one. The governments chose to create debt and create inflation to inflate the debt away. Which means cash is trash. Quite scary actually. Almost definite currency crisis down the line.

• UK property market will go sideways for 3 years like I said above, before many catch up and begin buying… still at ridiculous prices which do not match wages or hard work. It’s another strange situation as property workers would typically be laid off yet they are desperately needed to meet demand though they’ll not only want to keep their job but also get pay rises in line with inflation… how do you negotiate that scenario as an employer?

• Gold & silver are the safest place to be for unused cash.

• Right now it’s not enough to just be mortgage free, life is screwing people over who are even in great situations. Which is why the next 5 years are tough times for sure. Hence why Portugal & Spain now clearly offer a sound proposition for adventurous people willing to move their small business over there.

• Holding 2 or 3 individual stocks alongside your diversified indexed portfolio is fine if you know what you are doing. That is what I have personally found. Do not buy hype, buy quality and growth when opportunities arise, typically when nobody is talking about them. Removes a lot of risk that way.

• The US debt ceiling guarantees a currency crisis down the line which will cause known unknowns around the world.

• The biggest global macro change right now has to do with BRICS and Gold. Quite possibly one of the biggest changes in the world since absolute decades ago. It’s the biggest change happening that hardly anybody comprehends or even knows about.

• I see lower year on year returns for all asset classes over the next 15 years, that means that most peoples lives will not significantly improve though I strongly side with what every seasoned investor states, that over a 30 year period stocks will do just great.

• Now, this last one will appear as in-hindsight but I said it in 2020, the UK government should have kept the country open and instead spent the (now) Ā£700,000,000,000 billion on revamping the schools, funding medium sized infrastructure projects, upgrading large towns & cities job prospects and creating excellent long term housing that the country can be proud of.

That last one is a bit in-hindsight.

Sounds gloomy because I have not stated how incredible things are right now for the wealthy, private ballroom events in Italy, secret parties and private yacht trips around Capri, private air travel is booming, the vibe for the wealthy right now when imagining it is absolutely awesome. There is some fun being had and some incredible properties being enjoyed or re-modelled in luxurious locations, luxury hotels & wellness spa’s are appearing by the hundreds all over the globe. This is quite literally the era of the wealthy.

As you can get a sense from my posts, I am currently and have been struggling with understanding inequality. At the moment I am personally finding it hard to enjoy the things I used to, when not only am I struggling, but I am not struggling as much as others and that bothers me because I do not like the thought of good people going through disgustingly hard times that no actual human can adhere to for multiple years or longer.

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I love @101 response to threads but if there is anyone out there thats wants to sum it up so I don’t have to read so much, it would be appreciated. #Reminds me of my academic days!

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The fed is going to crush all of it in my view.

Imma still in dollars, pm, GME

Cash flow and production is king. Supply chains need deep a regig and dark money needs to die. You’ll be selling yee gold if/when we go full depression (if over leveraged)

Brics will force the dollar much, much higher. Also, whoa custodying brics gold… China? :joy:

The only thing I have no conviction over is the boe top.

But I have strong conviction the fed is goin 10% or higher.

Edit: this really Interests me as it’s the opposite view.

Working in events I find my down time to be the bath or chillen after a sauna haha so I comment what I consider absolute relevance of that period. I’m either instant or long form, there is no middle haha apologies.

Defo more of a doer rather than a writer. By a long shot.

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2023 this blows my mind. The only reason I can see for £5.28 per hour for 16 to Under-18 year olds is to prevent them from benefiting from working when the government wants them studying.

Which begs the question how are they meant to fund their way through college or uni if working does not add up? Surely this causes an even wider inequality issue because the kids whose parents already have Ā£30k ready for university, totally crushes the ones who haven’t and if working for Ā£5 or Ā£7 per hour is all they are condensed to, then I’d say it’s actually not viable to work your way through college or uni debt free?

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Fair point.

In 1996 i was working (while at school) for £1 per hour.

My family couldn’t afford to help with University and I never went.

I did ok, not amazing, but OK. Little higher than UK average wage.

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Not just reduced inflation, but outright deflation is coming to the US. The bond market already knows we’re going into a recession.

Truflation.com - several categories approaching zero.

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This week, lots of really interesting links here:

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Everything seems to be pointing towards investing in money market funds but are they available on FT?

I guess FT has a conflict of interest as they offer 4% interest on cash (which must be useful to the company) but if customers can get 5% in a money market fund they would more likely hold those.

It might make sense to make them available to plus members as they are likely to have SIPPs and want to offset set risk while maintaining a little more growth. At the moment I may be better off selling my bonds and leaving the cash in my account to grow at 4%. My pension is currently small and this won’t suit everyone.

Decisions decisions.

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Remember, even if you invest at the top of the market it is likely to recover and go on to new highs even if that means accumulating during the 9 to 15 year period the market stays under its all time high.

I am personally in a money market fund and also a 1 year fixed rate @ 4.15% though those 2 pieces of cash are likely for a property within 3 years.

Technically I should have stuck 100% of it in the market especially during October & December 2022 but I were torn on platform and strategy so took the 4-5% instead.

Right now I have no vision on what to do with money each month though I do see opportunity arising in property which means there probably is a REIT worth looking at over the coming 1-3 years.

Investors with bond market knowledge alongside equity knowledge are probably making 6-10% currently.

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Yes, that’s the problem (and the solution) - knowledge! I have very weak bond knowledge and so money market funds are safer for me.

My money is spread out - some going into Help-to-save, some savings account, then various equities and some bonds.

I’ve got so much learning to do - but at least I am in the green for now and I’ve not been in the market long, so just want to keep it that way as much as I can

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Best words I have listened to & adopted:

  1. Expect to be down at least once during the first 4 years entering the stock market.

  2. Stocks beat most asset gains over a 30 year period.

Everything else requires a a more advanced financial literacy understanding to read shorter trends and have the knowledge to take advantage of opportunities in different asset classes when they appear.

Like the people who totally understood that buying a property during 2009 - 2020 on a really low interest rate was at the time the 2nd best investment to make alongside stocks for that period.

I see that over the next 1-3 years a direction will appear to the ones with a great financial understanding on what the top opportunity is for the next decade or so.

My personal view is things move sideways for 3-5 years and life is simply just tough with swings up and down but no real trajectory. During which period the opportunities arise.

I kinda get the feeling there is more risk than reward atm. Skewed like 60% risk 40% reward. Really tough environment to invest in as it’s more easier to make a big costly mistake.

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Yes, it certainly feels that way. With all the sabre-rattling I have been looking at defence and security and with the energy transition, infrastructure and materials needed for that transition. I also hold some old-energy because as/if production reduces cost will increase to maintain profits while some outgoings decrease - but also because old-energy appears to be transitioning too and it wouldn’t surprise me if they already have a few aces up their sleeves ready for the right moment.

Drax had given me 18%, RR 16%, Prem 106%, BAE 31% and National Grid 13%. You can see where the money has been going, but at what point does this change, and where to? I suspect the gas shortages have been linked to its use in producing weapons, but where will the growth be next?

I also hold ETFs which of course could plummet but picking individual stocks may be useful when I spot patterns emerging. I’ve made a lot of mistakes and am sure I will again. How many is anyone’s guess, but I am making them less often now.

You come across as very knowledgable @101 - what’s your background and how long have you been investing?

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Bunch of interesting links including a study on what time of the day to trade ETFs to avoid high spreads:

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Please vote

This is getting pretty high.

Yep, but the real interest rate would still be around -5% even with this.

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I am calling it and would say right now is one of the most mixed times in our lifetimes for almost all investments regarding valuation, direction, sentiment, decision.

You just noticed?

Wait till the fed is at 10%…

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